Prague and Bern.
You forgot to mention two more cities.
Antwerp and Budapest.
I've been already asked that
during the interrogations.
The interrogations when I was...
beaten, deprived of sleep and...
and food.
Forget about Antwerp,
the English have it now anyway.
But Berlin... I deliberately
took you for a ride about the city.
Did you see what happened to Berlin?
I did.
Well?
Go on, eat.
- It's terrible.
- What's terrible?
It's terrible that you, a pastor,
are not a patriot
of the German state system.
Tell me, the fact
that I, a pastor,
have been tortured for 6 months in
prison -
is that an inevitable result
of your state system?
Prisons are reforming the stray.
Obviously, those who haven't gone
astray, but were the enemies,
are to be eliminated.
Is that you who decide
who is right
and who is guilty?
Of course.
So you know everything about everyone?
Who has erred
and who has not erred.
So you know about each of us
absolutely everything?
- We know what the nation wants.
- The nation...
The nation is made up of people.
So you eliminate people
in the name of the nation.
Waiter!
- What would you like?
- Coffee.
Two cognacs and the cigarettes.
Tell me, how often
in the history of Christianity
did they destroy the heterodox people
in the name of the welfare
of the rest of the flock?
They destroyed heretics.
All right. But fighting heresy,
did the church permit violence?
It did.
Violence against heresy had been
done throughout 8 centuries.
We came to power in 1933.
What do you expect from us?
In those 11 years,
we've done away with unemployment,
we gave food to the Germans.
Yes, while doing violence to
the heterodox.
If you're such
a convinced opponent...
perhaps you should've leaned more
on the material, instead of spiritual?
Excuse me, I don't understand you.
Why didn't you try to organize
an anti-government group
among your parishioners?
You see, if I began
to use your own methods
against you, I would have...
...unwittingly become someone like you.
So if a man comes to you...
What man?
Some young man
from your parish.
And he'll say, "Father,
I do not agree with the regime
and I want to fight it."
I won't stand in his way.
All right, but he'll say
he wants to kill the Gauleiter.
And the Gauleiter has 3 children, girls.
2-year-old, 5-year-old and 9-year-old.
And a paraplegic wife.
What would you do?
I don't know.
And if I question you about that
man, what would you say?
To you I will say nothing.
Good work, Stirlitz.
Frankly, I didn't expect it.
I didn't think
he'd agree so quickly.
Didn't think he would so quickly
agree to collaborate with us.
A very good job, Stirlitz.
He didn't agree because of fear.
Mediating is his
natural occupation.
He has nothing to fear.
He plays with open hands.
I wouldn'tjump at so
categorical conclusions, Stirlitz.
Put him to a good test.
In his cell?
Planting our man there?
All right, arrange a good
testing on the loose.
I'll try to
persuade the Reichsfuhrer
to let the pastor go free
for a while for our purposes.
Reception room of
Kaltenbrunner,
Chief of the Main Office
of the Reich Security.
02.13.1945
(18 hours 23 minutes)
Sit down.
Top secret.
Personal file on
Friedrich Wilhelm Kruger,
Gruppenfuhrer of the SS.
Reference on
Friedrich Wilhelm Kruger,
SS Gruppenfuhrer,
member of the Nazi Party since 1929.
A true Arian,
devoted to the Fuhrer.
Of Nordic character, firm.
Equable and sociable with friends.
Merciless towards the Reich's enemies.
A good family man.
No discrediting liaisons.
In work proved to be an indispensable
expert at his job.
Do you have any excuse,
an objective enough excuse,
which the Fuhrer would've believed?
In fact, you, and only you, Kruger,
were responsible for the punitive
operation in Cracow.
Here, see the reports
about how Cracow was not blown up.
And after you read them, answer me.
No.
I have no excuses.
And there can be no