to London or to
to the White House or to anyone.
The politicians there possess power,
but I am deprived of any real power.
No one loses their professional
influence as rapidly as politicians
who, for whatever reason, deprived
of their political authority.
Whom would you consider serious
politicians in today's Germany?
No one. Hitler killed all the best
representatives of the opposition.
The most serious politician in
Germany today is Himmler himself.
He is in blood from head to toe.
He is the disgrace of Germany.
But he possesses the real authority
and the real political power now.
A politician, who possesses a real
political authority, rules the people.
Only with such a person others would
deal equivalently in the politics.
Do you really consider a possibility
that Americans, Englishmen, or anyone,
or any good people, who still believe
in Christ, would ever agree to sit down
at the same table and negotiate
with the antichrist Himmler?
My dear pastor, the big politics
sent into the oblivion any of your
terms of Christ and antichrist.
And terms of Good and evil.
Big politics only adhere to the precise
observance of balance of powers.
Here you go, for example.
This is a secret transcript.
One my friend obtained this transcript
of the secret conversations
of one important German officer
of SD. Mr. Gogenloye.
He is a personal close friend
of Himmler himself.
Those were talks with some Western
intelligence officers.
And this was a year ago.
I left my glasses somewhere.
Basically, the main idea of the talks
is that, the both sides, the Germans
and the West, understand the threat
of the Russian Communism.
Both sides are concerned about
the future of Germany, and the
issue of the retention of the institute
of German National Socialism must be
examined with understanding of the
prospective Russian Communist thread.
It sounds like a propaganda cooked
by the German Nazis themselves.
I refuse to believe this.
I would be glad to agree with you,
but, unfortunately, I have
very good reasons to believe
that this document is real.
Hitler's days are numbered as
a political figure in Germany.
Probably, Goering and Bormann
already think about it and plan how,
seemingly, to take political power
in Germany into their own hands.
I do not believe that Himmler could
become a fair leader of Germany,
but this is desired by certain
political circles in the West.
But I think about the fact that
the democratic public opinion
will never allow the fact of
such secret negotiations
with a man, who personifies with
the horror of National Socialism.
Never the less, I am still convinced,
that Himmler is the strongest
political figure of today's Germany.
But I am, in no way, can visualize,
from one side, a possibility of
any negotiations with Himmler,
but from another side, how would
it be possible to hold Germany
in the obedience without Himmler?
Do you think, such negotiations
really could be possible?
They already are happening.
Right here, in Bern, Switzerland.
The negotiations are conducted by
Himmler's General SS, Mr. Karl Wolf
with the trusted representative of
the Western intelligence officers.
How trustworthy is this information?
A politician in emigration uses
only verifiable, confirmed information.
- Are you sure that the negotiations are real?
- Yes, I am absolutely sure about that.
My friends in Germany directed me
to check a possibility of serious
negotiations with all the allies
in order to end this bloodshed.
Who are those people?
They are honest and good people.
They work in the Ministry of Foreign
Affairs and in the Nazi party management.
Some people work in SD. They,
actually, helped me to get here.
They told me to warned you, not to
trust Himmler under any conditions.
That man should never be trusted.
No one should ever negotiate with him
directly or with any of his people.
May I ask you a question?
Do you completely trust those