the ear, that He did create a man?
Existence of God is indemonstrable,
it is possible only to believe in Him.
Here you believe in the monkey,
and I believe in God.
- I believe not in the monkey, but in the man.
-...which descended from a monkey.
What is that sound?
Did he give food in there?
And where are you from...
You believe in the monkey in the man, and
in God, who exists in each human being.
In each one? But where is God in Fuhrer?
But where is He in Himmler?
Wow, you see how I hooked him!
I am really good!
So why aren't you
answering my question?
Where is God in the Fuhrer?
Where is He in Himmler?
-That's a difficult question.
-You had bad people in your jail cell, pastor.
But we have striking discussions
in our jail cell.
I obtained my political education in
prison. Word of honor, really, I swear.
And in our cell there were no easy
topics discussed.
In my cell there were criminals
and thieves, they just
don't care about politics or
talking about it.
-I do see that you would love to
have a political discussion?
-Well, I don't know how to tell you this.
Thank you for the food.
-Do you like it?
-It is good.
And what was that?
And what is this now?
Those are the children of
church organist. They are twins.
He teaches them music in there.
Well, it is not really allowed,
but I did permit that to them.
One of them is faking. That must be
Ludwig, he is younger than the other.
It is so wonderful.
It is so wonderful!
But nevertheless what
about my question?
We indeed speak about nature
of a human kind.
Of course even in each of these horrible
people, like Hitler and Himmler,
it is possible to find the tracks
of the fallen angel.
Their entire nature is so subordinated
to the laws of cruelty, violence, lie,
that in fact all remains of humanity
in them were removed.
And still, pastor, you deviate
from precise answers.
That habit and skills to deviate
from precise answers
repelled me from the church
long time ago.
But still after you escaped from the death
camp, you came to the church. Didn't you?
That is true.
And nevertheless I feel that
I am right anyway.
Because if I was a son of God, why would
I want to escape from the death camp?
I would simply die there, in the
death camp, substituting another cheek.
What does this mean
"substituting another cheek"?
You are projecting the biblical parable
on to the real machine of the Nazi state.
Please try to think. The parable against the
conscience of human and the Nazism?
A political machinery, which in its
principle is deprived of conscience.
With the stone on the road or with the
wall, against which you did hit hard,
you will not associate as with a
being similar to yourself?
Great! You should go to Rome as
a religious speaker. But
even in this case, I would catch
you by the hand.
This means that revealing low and
terrible in the man is possible?
Unconditionally. But this is not
innate, but it is introduced.
OK now. Before my arrest I was
working as a journalist.
And my writings were forbidden by the
Nazis and the church at the same exact time.
Obviously, you erroneously
were explaining a man,
-too realistic and too severe, I think.
-I did not try to explain a man.
I showed the world of thieves and
prostitutes. The Hitler people
considered this slander about the their
highest race, and the church to the man.
-I do not fear truth. -Yes, you do.
If not you personally, then your associates.
I showed those fallen, which were
asking for help from the church.
The church repulsed them, because it didn't want
to accept those fallen ones in the temple of God.
-A prist never goes against the rules of the church.
-A prist can't go against the rules of his church.
But a pastor also should not blindly
follow the rules of the church.
Indeed! But I condemn you not
for the truth.
I disperse from you in the
forecast to the future of man.
You in your reasoning sound more
than a