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which power is Oceania at war with?
Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
And Oceania has always been at war
with Eastasia, has it not?
Tell me what you think you remember.
l remember...
that until only a week
before l was arrested...
we weren't at war with Eastasia at all.
lt was Eurasia.
That lasted four years, l think.
Another example.
A serious delusion.
Photographs about which
you've had hallucinations...
which you believed you held in your hand.
They never existed.
Say what you were about to say, Winston.
They exist...
in memory.
l remember.
You remember.
l do not remember.
Only the disciplined mind
can see reality, Winston.
lt needs an act of self-destruction...
an effort of the will.
Do you remember writing in your diary:
"Freedom is the freedom to say
two plus two equals four''?
How many fingers am l holding up?
And if the Party says there are not four,
but five, then how many?
That's no use. You're lying.
How many fingers, please?
Four. What else could l say?
Five, or anything you like.
Will you please stop it?
Stop the pain.
How can l help it?
How can l help
what l see in front of my eyes?
Two and two makes four.
Sometimes, Winston.
Sometimes they are five,
sometimes they are three.
Sometimes they are all of them at once.
Neither the past, nor the present,
nor the future...
exists in its own right.
Reality is in the human mind...
not in the individual mind...
which makes mistakes and soon perishes...
but in the mind of the Party...
which is collective and immortal.
How many fingers, Winston?
Four, l suppose there are four.
l tried to see five.
l wish l could.
Which do you wish?
To persuade me that you can see five,
or really to see them?
Really to see them.
How many, Winston?
l don't know.
No one escapes, Winston.
There are no martyrs here.
All the confessions made here are true.
We do not destroy the heretic
because he resists us.
As long as he resists us,
we never destroy him.
We make him one of ourselves
before we kill him.
We make his brain perfect
before we blow it out.
And then...
when there is nothing left
but sorrow and love of Big Brother...
we shall lift you clean out of history.
We shall turn you into gas
and pour you into the stratosphere.
Nothing will remain of you.
Not a name in a register.
Not a memory in a living brain.
You will be annihilated in the past,
as well as in the future.
Three thousand.
This time it won't hurt you.
Before we bring this session to an end...
l want you to ask me your questions.
l want you to clear your mind.
She betrayed you, Winston...
immediately, unreservedly.
All her rebellion, deceit,
folly, dirty-mindedness...
has been turned out of her.
Does Big Brother exist?
Of course.
The same way as me?
You do not exist.
You've not asked me the question
that is uppermost in your mind.
You know what is in Room 101 .
Everyone knows what's in Room 101 .
fix your eyes on mine.
What country is Oceania at war with?
I don't remember.
Oceania is at war with Eastasia.
Do you remember that now?
How many fingers am I holding up?
You see, at least, that it is possible.
You've understood the reality of the past...
and of the present.
Now for the future.
A question:
"How does one man
assert power over another?"
By making him suffer.
Exactly. Obedience is not enough.
Power is inflicting pain and humiliation.
Otherwise, you cannot be sure.
Power is tearing human minds apart...
and putting them together again
in new shapes of your own choosing.
Power is not a means, it is an end.
ln our world, there will only be triumph
and self-abasement.
Everything else, we shall destroy.
The past is forbidden. Why?
Because when we can cut man
from his own past...
then we can cut him from
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